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Welcome to Out of The FOG
« on: October 12, 2007, 08:09:30 PM »
Hello there, and welcome to Out of the FOG!  We are so pleased you've found us and hope to be able to help you wade through the mire that makes up personality disorders.

Understand right off that we are not professionals and don't pretend to be - our advice comes from experiences much like your own. All of us have had or are still in relationships with someone who has (or is presumed to have) a personality disorder. We have spouses, parents, children, significant others, ex spouses, etc., same as everyone else around here. We understand the anger, the tears, the helplessness, the depression, the apparent senselessness of it all, and the wish to somehow redeem the situation even when we know there is nothing we can do.

What we do here is provide support and compassion as you try to heal and move forward from where you are today. Hopefully we can point you to some resources that will help you understand so you can make better choices for your future. Whether you choose to stay with your loved one or leave them and the relationship behind, there are things to learn - both about them and more importantly, about yourself.

Again, welcome to Out of the FOG.  Please contact any of the moderators or administrators if you have questions. That's what we're here for.

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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 10:30:34 AM »
Hello everyone and welcome.

 I can't help but be reminded of the movie, "Space Cowboys" but in our case it would be "Cowboys and Cowgirls" where they got together a bunch of old-timers who had decades of experience and placed them in a modern vehicle to go out and help with a problem that they had lots of first hand experience with.

Thats what we have here, a brand new board but inside a very seasoned and experienced crew that guided another ship like this for years called "The Nook".

The only thing new here is the platform this forum sits on. Otherwise there are decades of experience dealing with a very old problem ... broken hearts from loving someone with a personality disorder.

Please feel free to (what we call) lurk all you want and then join us when your time is right. If you are from another board and want to stop by and visit ,then please do or even join us as well.

Thank You

and again...Welcome

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P.S. We all want you to have the most peacefull experience possible so please just take a couple minutes before you get too far along and go over the guidelines and then take another look at your profile just to make sure you haven't used maybe a user name that you wouldn't want anyone to put 2 and 2 together and know it may be you and also check to see if your email if visable isn't one anyone would know...Thanks

One more addition for all the real newbies that don't know us from before.

It concerns our "Post Count" here.
This is a new board so our count starts at zero as with everyone.Our actuall count for each of us goes into the thousands. I know mine was around 11 or 12 thousand before this new board.
 Some has to be that I am a blabber mouth at times but so many of ours were the real deal as well.

Ok...Now Welcome :)
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 09:21:50 PM »
Hello everyone, and welcome to "Out of The FOG"

I'm a dad of 2, divorced from a spouse who exhibits a number of Personality Disorder traits and who has been clinically diagnosed with a combination of Histrionic and Dependent Personality Disorders. I have custody of my kids and am familiar with some of the challenges of co-parenting with a personality-disordered parent.

When I found the early version of this site I was still married, discouraged and confused.  This community was like an oasis in the desert.

Welcome to Out of The FOG. I hope this community will be as encouraging and helpful to you as it has been to me.

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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 05:57:13 PM »
Welome to Out of the Fog!  

Pull up a throw pillow, make yourself comfortable, check out the various forums and post whenever you're ready.  

We hope you will be at home here!

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PS - if you want to know my story - I'm both a Chosen and an Unchosen  :roll:

Here's a link to my intro!

http://board.nook2.com/index.php?showtopic=7
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 10:10:54 AM »
Welcome to Out of the Fog.  If you are suffering from the fallout of emotional abuse due to a personality disordered relationship in your life, then you have come to the right place.

I was in deep despair when I arrived here almost four years back after ending a relationship to an avoidant man but now I feel more whole and positive about my 'lot' in life and my future.  Since being here and learning more about how the dynamics of personality disorders interact with non-pd behaviours, I have discovered that the events that led me into disordered relationships in adult life have their roots back in my traumatic childhood and adolescence.

I hang out here often because I have found that learning and 'socialising' with people who have 'been there' is a very important part of my recovery process.  I was also fortunate to find a wonderful therapist who affirmed and validated me as I processed the unconscious burdens of guilt, anger and grief I had been carrying.

I would like to quote some words from an old thread in Working in Us section where an OOTF member beautifully described how it feels to be a part of this humble and wise community of survivors and thrivers:-

"I end the day being thankful for those who cross my threshold, who lighten my path, and who share my journey. Our family includes many who are not blood family, but whose lives and our lives have intertwined in ways that make our connections meaningful. I include those of you here who read and share your wisdom and experiences. Our physical paths may never cross, but our energy meets and is recognized here, and that is as meaningful as those who I sat across from the table today."

My thanks and good wishes to everyone here, striving as I am towards authentic recovery and a wholeness of being.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 11:03:15 AM »
I want to add my welcome as well. You have stumbled upon a very special place.

I was married to a man who most likely has NPD with ASPD traits and we had 4 sons together. I stuck it out for 15 years before it got to be too much and too dangerous to remain. Learning about PDs and being able to share our common stories has helped me heal tremendously. During this learning process, it also helped me to look at my family of origin and see the level of dysfunction there, too.  It has helped me to become more at peace with my life and has helped me regain my confidence in myself.

I hope that you can find the same knowledge and comfort here.  The support from the others who have shared this journey is immeasurable.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 02:31:10 PM »
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Re: Welcome to Out of The FOG
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 09:19:34 PM »
If you have found this place, you should consider yourself extremely fortunate.  You may not think "fortunate" is the word to use for your current/past association with a personality disordered person, but things are about to change.  No, you cannot do anything to change the person with the disorder, but you CAN amass a huge amount of knowledge here...and in dealing with these things, knowledge IS power. 

You will also find people here who "get it" like no one else in your life does.  That's because everyone on this board has had their own personal experience with a disordered person.  People who have actually been in situations like yours, and who have already been through the process themselves, are best able to guide you toward a life of taking care of yourself and finding your own peace.   This is what we wish for all of our members.

Nearly 4 years ago, in 2008, I was just as lost and desperate as you may be feeling now.  The PD in my life is/was my ex-husband, to whom I was married for nearly 32 years.  The first 15 years were not great, but I thought, and was told, that marriage was supposed to be hard and I should just keep working.  Over the remainder of the marriage, every other part of my life (job, kids, friends) was exceptionally good.  My relationship, however, deteriorated into what was, often, a living nightmare.  Anger, verbal and emotional abuse, frequent silent treatments, blame for things over which I had no control, circular conversations, rewriting history, and so on.  I had seen a counselor off and on for years, working on myself.  We had seen couples' counselors, too, but I was at a loss as to why this man, who seemed to have everything, was constantly angry at the world and, especially, his family.  One night, for about the millionth time, I Googled "men's anger."  This led to "Borderline PD," and, finally, to a list of traits that could have been written about my husband.  The more I read, the more I felt it could have been written about my entire relationship.

More therapy followed, but it soon became apparent that my X was there in body only and the stronger I became, the more his destructive behaviors escalated.  He began blaming therapists, also, for his "plight," and, about 3.5 years ago, I took my life back by separating from him.  It was not what I had wanted out of the relationship, but it was my only path to saving my sanity and my self-respect.  It has created a new peace in my life like never before. 

My X was never officially diagnosed, that I know of, but fits 6 of 9 of the traits of Borderline Personality Disorder and matches a few of the Narcissistic ones as well.  The last therapist of his that I talked to was not ready to categorize his disorder because so many of them overlap.  What I learned was that, regardless of whether a formal diagnosis is present, people who have been in these situations are dealing with the behaviors...and that's where our tools and support come into play.  If the behaviors are causing damage to you or family members, you need help and support...and that's why you are here.  It's not important what name you give to it...it's hurting people, and we can help you find a way to cope, and to make your life better, healthier.

Why am I still here?  I spent unending years searching for illusive answers to the "why" of the misery in my marriage.  If there is any way to speed up the resolution of this search for even one other person, it is more than worth my time here.  I see it as paying it forward...I'm repaying those who helped me by helping others.  I'm pretty sure that's why we're all here.

Postscript: There IS life out there after all this.   I have just recently begun a long-term relationship with another "Non" who has become my best friend. The peace I achieved by exiting my toxic marriage was incredible enough...this is like a bonus!   How do I know this is different?  Because this relationship shows me everything I was missing before...the things I THOUGHT should be, but weren't.  It took a lot of healing on both our parts to get to the place where we are ready to take advantage of the best of things, but it is worth every bit!

I wish you well as you seek to understand that for which you may not now have any explanation, and I hope you will stick around and learn all you can here.

Best to you,
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Re: Welcome to Out of The FOG
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 05:36:24 PM »
welcome to out of the fog,

as someone who has been in both chosen and unchosen relationships, i had to learn about how my upbringing affected my choices as an adult.

backstory on my real parents- mom is uBPD/NPD, dad is uBipolars.  they both have substance abuse issues that started long before i was born-they were self medicating from what my t has explained to me based on their own demons/family of origin issues. mom's family has sexual abuse history, dad's family has physical abuse history and substance abuse history for all members.

i am the only child they had  together- my dad has three other kids from his second marriage and my mom has a son that was born when she was 14 who was raised by her parents as my 'uncle'.

i am limited contact with my real dad after 'finding him' when i was 21 which led me to go completely NC with my real mom- i'm 40 now. the person i have the most contact with is my dad's second wife, who i consider my 'mom'.

the relationship between my real parents was never healthy.  i lived with them until i was almost 8 with a lot of him leaving, her leaving with me and us going to live in another state for a month or so with her parents, lots of drinking,drugging and fighting.  my dad drove a truck and sometimes when he was gone my mom would be in a funk for weeks where i would not go to school and had to fend for myself on cereal and peanut butter, the only things i knew how to cook at 4-5-6 years old.

something happened when i was 7 (i still don't really know) and my real mom went to a dv shelter and we got plane tickets to go to michigan where she basically left me with her parents and went on to live a life of a person without responsibility- she was in and out and stayed in the house but she was always gone partying.  her father began sexually abusing me on a regular basis at this time (but it may have actually started when i was younger because of the times we stayed with them).  she was in and out like this until i was in the 6th grade and she wanted to settle down and play mommy again.  she met a dude and we went to live with him (he was very much like my real dad like a carbon copy) where he would get drunk and physically/mentally abuse me with his own three kids.  one big unhappy family.  my mom was sober for about a year and then started up with the pills and drinking again and by the time we were in 7th grade my stepsister and me were pretty much responsible for taking care of everything around the house.  my grandpa was most likely abusing my stepsister and younger stepbrother at this time.  my stepdad was also raging at us and my mom on a regular basis.

in 9th grade my real mom left my stepdad and i lived with her alone for the first time in my entire life for what it was worth.  we moved in april and by june of that year i was in state custody because she went out of control.  she was doing hard drugs (heroin and coke) as well as rx drugs,  she got caught stealing rx medicine and script pads from her employer and she ended up owning her dealer about a grand.  her solution to the problem was to leave me with her dealer until she could pay him back.  her dealer tried to turn me on to drugs in order to turn me out (as in prostitute) and i got out by running away from him and walking to a pay phone and calling my stepdad collect.  the next day i took a cab to the court offices and filed a formal complaint against my real mom and went into hiding at a family friend's house.  i was 14 at the time and when she figured out where i was i hid in the basement while the family friend lied and said i wasnt there.  i then went to my stepdad's house and the police picked me up there and put me into custody of the state where i remained for almost three years.

during all this time i had seen my real dad once at a supervised visit when i was 9.  he pretty much gave up against my real mom even though she had violated the custody order that said she wasn't supposed to bring me out of the state we had orginally lived in.  basically she did the whole parental kidnapping/ parental alientation thing with him.  the state called him when i made the complaint against my real mom and gave him a choice of taking me back or signing off on his rights to me- and he started the process to sign off on his rights so that my stepdad could adopt me after they both talked with lawyers etc.  my real mom got really angry about this and burned down my real dad's house (she was a person of interest but was never formally charged because her parents got a good lawyer) which ended up killing one of my other sisters whom i had never even met.  the state also started the process of deciding if her parental rights should be terminated and when i was in 11th grade she made a last ditch effort to get me back, which stopped the adoption proceedings that my stepdad had intiated.  what i didnt know at the time is that once my real mom wasnt formally charged with the arson/death of my half sister, she started legal proceedings against my real dad to collect half the insurance money from the fire as well as all the back child support he had refused to pay since they divorced when i was 8 and that her lawyer told her she had to get custody of me to be able to claim the child support.  so for like 3 months when i was in 11th grade my real mom again cleaned up her act enough to pass a drug test and then got visitation with me (i was in a state home at the time- i got removed from my stepdad's house when she started the process to try to get me back which stopped the adoption process with his family which who were just as f'ed up now that i see the things for what they really are).  she got me back in august before i started my senior year.

that's when the fun began.  i was on probation for all sorts of stuff-mostly i didnt go to school and got caught drinking and was in a tough love program where she was supposed to lock me out and call the cops and my probation officer if i violated my contract.  from the first weekend she had custody of me (she was still living with her parents, her dad was the one who sexually abused me) she made no effort to enforce the contract, nor did her parents.  i was their cash cow.  as long as i showed up to sign in to school with my guidance counselor, i could do whatever i wanted.  i stayed out all night, hung out with her drug dealer- i would seriously ride my damn bike over to his house and play video games, then go home to get cleaned up for school, check in to school and then sleep through my first four classes.  i was going to the bars, mostly gay bars for the music and fashion, and she would DRIVE ME.  i  got caught drinking in school and she took me home and made cookies with me.  basically i did whatever the hell i wanted and had the time of my life at 16.  i ended up having to repeat my senior year because i didnt have enough credit to graduate and she got this grand idea that i would go to beauty school and we would open a salon- that's what she told my guidance counselor and probation officer, but in reality it worked to her advantage because i didnt turn 18 until after the start of my second senior year and she could only collect money from my dad if i was living with her, if i went back into custody of the state then she would have to pay into the system to care for me.  if it matters she was also running car accident insurance scams at this time and also getting a payment of between 30-40K for the last rear ender she was in.

my real dad was caught up from his arrears by the end of january of my second senior year.  she put me out after the last check came and i found myself with absolutely no where to go, so i finished my senior year by doing couch surfing and paying one of the other students to punch me in and out of beauty school (we had a time clock) so i could work to save up money to get my own place.  i met up with some other kids in a city near me and we started squatting and traveling around the midwest- this lasted until i was almost 21 when they started to do hard drugs and commit crimes with guns.  I had been n/c with my real mom for most of the three years i was on the road but decided to take advantage of her and my grandparents the same way they had used me and stayed there just long enough to save enough to get on my feet and get a job and from that point we have not spoken- it took me about a year to get myself set up and saved up.

i feel like my real dad really dropped the ball on this.  i was molested, and basically sold into white slavery because he did not stand up to her.   i feel like that it was PURE LUCK i did not end up in jail or worse, just like my real mom.

like i said i'm almost 41 now and i worked very hard to put myself through school, to get therapy, to try to get to know my dad's side of things, and to try to understand why some crazy people can use children like the way i was used.  things happened to me because of my upbringing that can never be undone.  i was very lucky that my first boyfriend was a decent guy with a decent family- they were a big part of me waking up and seeing how abnormal my own experience was.  unfortunately we did not stay together and i did not make as healthy of a choice with my next relationship, and i also became very codependent trying to fix my 'best friend' and my ex thinking that would fix what had happened to me.  i ended up being physically abused to the point where i also almost went to jail and would of lost my job because i fought back instead of leaving and calling for help.  it took me almost 6 years to put it all together and at 36 finally got some help.  i'm more healed and together now then ever and have been married to the most wonderful kind man for almost two years. 

another thing that OOTF helped me with was to give me the tools and the support i needed when fighting against an abusive administrator because for once in my life i feel strong enough to stand up for myself and say NO when i am being taken advantage of, and when i see kids being abused and bullied i also have to say NO.

thank you for listening to my story. 

much respect and props to all who are learning to advocate for  themselves and their children.

mathy

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2012, 06:31:45 PM »
Welcome to Out of the Fog.

I initially came here looking for guidance about how to manage my toxic relationship with my mother and to figure out how my marriage and my other relationships were affected by my childhood abuse and false programming. 

I stayed because I found an authentic community of people who were committed to seeking the truth and living it.

I welcome you now to seek that same truth and to learn how to steer your life in a powerful new direction that's centered on truth and hope and love. 

Welcome.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2012, 05:56:09 AM »
G'day and Welcome to Out of the Fog.

I stumbled onto this site just over two and a half years ago after my already violent husband did something unforgiveable to our (then) three year old daughter. I googled a few behaviours he had and came across 'Antisocial personality Disorder". I read checlist after checklist about psychopaths, and it was like reading about him. wondered what to do next, and found this place.

I do not know that I would be here typing away if I hadn't. Thanks to the advice and support and no-bulldust reality checks of people who had seen ASPD play out, I got me, and my daughter out alive, and have managed to keep us safe, and rebuild our lives in a good way since. If I look back at the terrorised, traumatised, completely confused place I was in and where I am now, it's a quantum shift.

One step after another - venting, therapy, more venting, more therapy - reading whatever I could - asking questions, sharing experiences, getting the kind of reality check that only people who have also lived through the sheer insanity of these kinds of relationships create, have all been part of the healing process.

I had both domestic violence counselling and saw a psychologist, When I first started seeing her I told her I felt like a basket case and got her to promise she'd tell me if I was crazy. It took two years for me to finally get my head around the fact that I'm not crazy, the situation was/is, and to adjust to the idea that my soon-to-be-divorced husband will never change, and may never stop trying to find us and take our child and finish the job. It may sound impossible from where you sit now, but I've found some peace with that. And believe me, I've sat there where you are now thinking "there is no way I will ever feel whole, and happy, and balanced again". But us humans are amazingly resilient creatures, especially when we have the empathetic sharing that happens when communities of people who share a similar story of trauma and recovery like we do here gather.

I spent a lot of time looking backwards to see where childhood physical/sexual/emotional abuse had played its part in making me a good target for my husband. Now I look forwards more than back, and I hope we can all help you also see past the FOG to a new day for yourself and those non-PD people in your life that may also be affected by the person or persons whose behaviour has created the need for you to be here.

Pull up a stump and pour yourself a cuppa (as we say in the Australian bush). We are listening.

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2012, 07:40:11 PM »
Hi and a warm welcome to you!

You have found a safe place and a supportive community, a place for discovery, understanding and growth.

Learning about PD's, and understanding them is one step.  Accepting and living with the reality another.  In the process we learn about ourselves, that we are the ones who can change not only ourselves but our future and that is exciting, empowering and sometimes a little scary, particularly if we have lived in the fog.  The point is we haven't really lived yet - it is coming out of the fog that shows us what life can really be like - and actually normal.

Ask questions, read, learn and work your way through.  Everyone here is at different stages of the journey, and has a mix of different exposure to PD relationships.  With community and support we can move forward. Sharing experiences helps us realise we are not alone, and that what is happening is real rather than denying it.  It did wonders for me to confront and accept what was actually happening.  That provided a great position to start moving forward.

I have come out of a very long term relationship with my NPDex (also BPll) and in the process saved not only myself but my teens.  It was rough at times but worth the effort to find out the joys of the simple things in life like not having to live in fear and have every action and word criticised.  My faith, therapy and this wonderful community led me through to actually find myself and discover what life could really be like out of the fog.

Look around and join in - welcome!
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 08:08:03 AM »
Hello and welcome,

I came to Out of the Fog looking for help for my family.  Being a "fixer" I didn't have myself in mind.  But, that changed fast. 

This is a wonderful community that provides guidance in taking care of ourselves when we realize how badly we were affected by someone with a personality disorder.  So, I stayed and began my journey of healing.

I hope that you will find the same comfort I have found here.

Again I would like to welcome you to join our community.
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 10:03:23 PM »
Welcome to OOTF! Please take some time to go through the information that has been painstakingly gathered together in the tabs at the top of the page - there is a wealth of knowledge here to help you come to terms with one of the most difficult problems of all - dealing with the mental illness of someone close to you. Many people have, over the years, posted about their trials and troubles, and their successes and healing, and all of this makes OOTF a unique testament to the enduring, courageous spirit of people struggling with the mental illness of someone they love.

My parents were the ones afflicted. My father was an undiagnosed, but classically high-functioning narcissist, and it was easy to see that he had issues. All of us lived in fear of his anger and his cruel, belittling remarks, although, like the sunshine on a hilltop in April, his moods could change in a moment, and he could suddelnly be the genial, very funny life of the party.

My mother's problems caused me much more trouble, because she hides them so well. Most of her life energy is spent in denying that there is a problem. After years of uncertainty, I have some to the conclusion that she in probably an undiagnosed HPD.

For all of my life, I have been dealing with the fallout of growing up in an outwardly "normal" but inwardly very dysfunctional family. OOTF has given me the opportunity to share some of my journey with others. Thank you for being here for me!
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