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hoovered

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Newly committed to staying in.
« on: July 30, 2012, 12:29:59 PM »
Well, I have made up my mind that I am going to try to make this work with my UPPD.  As hard as it is, I simply love this woman.  I also deeply love our child and see how much he wants both parents home and understand that he needs me there to help him cope with the outbursts and also so that he wont be trained to be a PPD. (yes this involves speeches from Mom to him)

I had been doing a great job of using the tools, not engaging etc and we have had several good months.  Yesterday she had a large return to her delusion that the world is full of evil people trying to do her in...and I am the ring leader.  Instead of doing what I should have, I lost me termper and engaged.  This led to a full blown attack of cussing hitting etc. all in front of the child.

Unfortunately I feel this is my fault because I let my self play the game which caused the escalation.  I should have let her spout off but for some reason, she hit a nerve and I lost it.

Anyone else ever done this?

Now I am dealing with threats to leave, divorce, or a "sexless marriage of convenience". 

Anyone think this is real?  Is this just part of the control game?  How can you tell?

She is obsessed with how "brilliant" Katie Holmes was in getting away from her evil controlling husband.  Could she become a copycat?

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 10:38:59 AM »
18 views and no words of wisdom...I guess my questions really cant be answered bc no one here really knows what any other person will do.

I have always taken some comfort in the idea that the PD needs me and even though there are threats would never really leave with my son.  I guess now I wonder.  I recently learned that she has been hiding a small bank account from me, and I dont mind except with the fascination with Kathie Holmes I wonder if it is her "war chest"

She has been her old self for 2 days now but is it the usual post blow off calm or is she just playing another game while she makes her plans.

Gosh I sound as paranoid as her--fleas..

Cant even bear the thought of not seeing son every day...

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 02:21:33 PM »
Actually I've been there and done that.

We are only human and can take soo much of verbal abuse before we have to strike back.

I don't know about the control game but you may have hit that on the mark.  She wanted a reaction from you and got it. 
If she is planning an exit from your life would that be the worst thing?

I let myself exit from a marriage with children and it was the best thing I did.  But I am not in your shoes at all....

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 04:33:48 PM »
I understand Siera, and believe me it might really be best for me but I am convinced it is not best for my son.

Also, there still are good times, and during those, life is great except for that persistant feeling in the pit of my stomach that it is only a matter of time before something sets a trigger.

I am gonna keep at it and it does take effort

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 01:02:06 AM »
Do what is best for your son, I agree.  I went through a divorce with a BP man and it was heck on the children.
My marriage ended from physical abuse...him choking me and threatening to make it permanent.

It is so hard to know the right thing to do.

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 01:03:00 PM »
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... we have had several good months.

I'm confused.  Your post of July 12:
 
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Well we had a few good months with only very minor flare ups but now she is back full of venom, rudeness,insensitivity etc.  The full paranoid fantasy is again running her life.  A friend asked about her mother and said that family was important and that was the trigger which set her off on a rampage that me "Satans son" and my horrible family have infiltrated her family and will bring misery to her life.  She knows this because the the mention by our friend that"family is important" is a calling card of what is to come.

Now she is again threatening to leave "to protect our son". 

I hate my life.

Hoovered, you joined in March of this year, after what's no doubt been a lot of ugly "flareups" and confrontations.  That's not "several good months" to my way of reasoning.  I'm not picking nits or calling you out, just pointing out what I see here. 
 
You're hoping for better, hoping she will changes, hoping something miraculous will happen.  It will - when she either decides to do differently and puts in a lot of hard work or when you decide to overlook all the obvious and just get through your life.  In the big picture, the timeframes you're talking about are really very short.  It took your wife a lifetime to get where she is and any necessary lasting changes are going to take time.  That's once she decides to really make a commitment to those changes. 
 
Since you've been here she's been on and off meds, in and out of therapy, dragging a young child through her version of events and blatantly trying to change his views of people and the world to suit her own.  You've talked about a loveless/sexless marriage, even though you love her.  I don't doubt that - love is what gets and keeps us in those relationships, after all.
 
I'd like to suggest that you just roll with it - you don't have to be "on" or "off" in order to participate on this forum, and you don't have to make pronouncements of where you are with it.  Anyone with a grain of common sense and any experience at all is going to realize that what works today won't tomorrow and vice versa.
 
Just take care of yourself, okay?
 

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2012, 01:19:12 PM »
Wow, MoGlow, you are right about the timeframes.  Made me realize that I know classify anything short of full blown rage as a "good time".  This saddens me.

That is alot to swallow and think through.  I guess at some level I know I am selling my life short but when I review my own posts over the last 5 months it sure doesnt  look like a "good time".

I just crave direction and some sense of peace.  My real problem is that I get sucked in by the good days, my love for her and for my son.  It hurts alittle less when she turns but it still hurts. 

I still walk on eggshells and the truth is that doing so is darn near a full time job.  I rarely just speak anymore without thinking of the consequences first.  There is no spontanaity in my life now.

She is not changing, I am and that is the only reason we have good days.  I dodge triggers, bite my tongue, ignore jabs, swallow my pride and generally cater to her illness.  I am exhausted!

MoGlow, you should have been a shrink!  Thanks for the reality check; no matter how much it sucks...

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2012, 08:04:52 PM »
 I'm sorry if my words hurt you, know that's not what I wanted to do.  I knew someone on message boards years ago who would do that – quote earlier posts to bring awareness of what we think at that moment in time as opposed to statements made in the past.  It was never meant to hurt, but rather to point out confusion or inconsistencies.  I always saw it as her helping bring clarity, and she did it for me more than once.  Having followed what I’ve been able of your story so far, it was somewhat easier for me to put those pieces together.

I believe we’re all – even/especially the disordered – creatures of habit.  Certain events trigger particular responses within all of us.  Were you to keep a diary of sorts, I would imagine over time you’d see a pattern.  My mother is presumed histrionic/borderline – I can damned near guarantee performances (what you call flareups) in and around particular dates and it’s sickeningly accurate, really.  I can just about clock her by the calendar/holidays/special events.  Throw in what most of us see as normal life events and she’s in a tailspin averaging about every six weeks or so.  It accelerates drastically and painfully from about mid-October til the end of the year then I spend a few months trying to recover before the cycle starts again. 

While I’m better at managing my own responses now, I won’t even try to lie and say it doesn’t affect me.  I’m 50 years old and that woman can still bring the little girl out of me with a word, a tone of voice, a glance – and I’m not talking about the happy child.  I wasn’t one, for the most part.  I struggled and was just grateful to have survived her home.  When the opportunity arose, I was OUT of there, but the damage is still within me.

What I’m saying is there’s a certain predictability in even the most unstable patterns.  I’ve always said mother’s one consistency was the sheer inconsistency of her reactions, whether in word or deed.  Those quiet peaceful times make us yearn for more, but we’re inevitably thrown back into tailspins when it turns the other way because we’re so grateful for the good times. 

We do what we do because that’s who we are – ALL of us.  We don’t do better until we learn better, and it’s a process every day.  It’s a CHOICE we all make every day, however much we may want to deny it sometimes.  The choices we make do become habits and habits show who we are inside.

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 11:43:54 AM »
I comnpletely appreciate the reality check.  It stings a little, not your response, the reality but I needed it.

I found your post extremely helpful, though provoking and intuitive.

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 10:47:05 AM »
Is your wife taking any meds?  If you read my earlier post, Prozac is a God send for me.  While I am convinced that I would have primary residential custody of our children if we divorced, I still see a lot of value in staying in the marriage for the kids and if my H is not misbehaving, I can be quite content in the relationship.  If you were to divorce you seem to contemplate that your wife would have custody.  However, she sounds mentally ill so you should be keeping a record of her abuse and your defensive role in the arguments.  Does she know that she is ill?   wrt her threats around divorce, marriage of convenience, etc., I would consider them to be manipulation and if you can get your arms around how you would protect your child regardless of the outcome, I would stake a position that allows you a very good chance of being able to accomplish that goal.  My H is pretty much full of crap as it relates to those sorts of threats so if you want to stay married, you tell her that you want to be happy, thrive in your relationship and give your child the best secure, happy upbringing as possible and you expect her to be a part of that.  She probably thrives off of your getting angry and emotional so use your control over your own emotions as a tool to extinguish her.  She won't like it that she can't piss you off but unless and until she gets under control, you should truly distance yourself from her emotionally.

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 09:55:14 AM »
Thanks Codeep...I have been trying to detach and use the list posted by Mirrorgirl but I find it hard to be consistant.  She takes Paxil and was prescribed Abilify to go with it several months ago.  When on both, whe was much better.  A month ago she announced she was dropping the Abilify because she did not need drugs b/c nothing is wrong with her.  I politley tried to get here to stay on it but she refuses and just gets angry.


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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 11:00:25 PM »
Hello Hoovered - I just scooted over to "committed on Working on it for the first time..." Not that I am there yet - committed on working on "it"....I am barely keeping my own head above water....

I can tell you that I have been pushed to that point of snapping and engaging - and physical interaction....after being pushed and pushed and pushed one evening metaphorically - and then literally "pushed" - I pushed back saying "stop touching me"...from that point forward I am the violent abusive, humiliating, manipulative insane etc. etc. person in the relationship....this one specific encounter was 10 months ago...

I am now just learning how to put boundaries in place for myself....JUST. And I am not good at it at all - and I am also still not committed to staying - I just trying to find peace and get some of myself back....my uPD girlfriend whom I adore - is brilliant and thus performs the PD brilliantly....just this week - she agreed to give an "anonymous" interview to a major publication about the domestic violence she was caught in....I found out only on her way home from the interview....I have grappled with calling the publisher - or just letting it go - I mentioned this to my girlfriend that I was so messed up by this that I just could not let it go....she of course told me if I call I am enforcing the fact that I am abusive and controlling when all she is trying to do is tell her story...I even said I was calling to give permission to use my name....if it were being published - she freaked on that one....but one call to the journalist and a folder full of abusive, hateful, emails, texts, and phone messages would clear things up quite quickly for someone with a ok mind....

So yes - I have been there - am there....and am working REALLY hard to get my self-esteem out of the gutter and find myself and the person I am...not the person she has repeatedly told me I am...(I know i have a temper and I know I can be pushed to defend and fight myself out of the metaphorical corner...but I am not the monster I am illustrated as being...i am just now trying to REALLY see that light)

She has a son and I am in agony seeing what he has to endure with her....but I have no control....and wish I did - his father knows the scoop - but the boy is still required to try to work out a relationship with his mom...against his wishes - he is not old enough to say no for himself yet....legally...

So.........if you can....and I know it is hard because I am desperately in love and wanted so badly to marry this women and on the good days still wish I could....but if you can - find the strength to find the best peace for you and your children.

lft

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 10:15:30 AM »
Be kinder to yourself.  Dealing with them is a process.  And I agree that what's most frustrating with the PD is what worked yesterday, may not work today.  And we're human.  Somedays we're just not in the mood to deal with them or interact therapeutically.  I also got tired of having to think through my approach every time I wanted to interact with my PD.  I want to just be.  I feel like it's no different than when I have to deal with a problem employee at work.  I think through my approach. what I'm going to say, how I'll say it etc.  I don't want to have to do that when I go home.  I'm tired and not in the mood for that crap.  So somedays you snap. 

My current bf has narcissistic traits.  I can see he's not going to be a forever guy.  I'm just not in the mood to deal with him when he dysregulates.  I usually just blow him off and avoid his phone calls.  Of course I'm not emotionally involved with him.  But I'm happy to say that I find his behavior tiresome.  And since educating myself on PDs, I just don't engage with them anymore when they're on a roll.  I can't be bothered.  And I just don't care about their problems anymore.  I care more about sanity and peace in my own life and home.
"Your life is a result of the choices you make... if you don't like your life, it's time to make better choices".

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 11:09:56 AM »
All good posts...THANKS!  Looking for tools, I feel your pain about the child.  In my case it is my child and the bs she fills his head with is scary.  Stuff about not trusting people, that his own half sibs are "evil" and trying to "ruin" mommy etc.  I sadly hear him parrot her fantasies but...a great kid and generally happy and very healthy and I hope he will grow to understand.  I try to help but of course he has been told not to talk to me so it is hard.

If this behavior had existed up front, we would not have married.  I hope you find direction.

Making Changes you are so right about always being on point and thinking everything through.  I think that is the worst part of the PD relationship.  I work so hard to avoid triggers that I am never relaxed and never speak my mind.  It is exhausting!

The worst part for me is when some other person or occurance accidently sets a trigger and I have to deal with the fall out.  Very hard to keep my detached indifference.

I am working very hard to detach and to find my own life and happiness.  The hardest thing is not letting the good days suck me in.

One thing about a PD, they can make any home seem small as they fill every space with their world view.  They divide you from friends and family so that isolated they have some control.  I am trying to take all the power back by ignoring the outbursts and reconnecting but it is not easy.

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Re: Newly committed to staying in.
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 05:59:16 PM »
And it's harder when kids are involved.  We tolerate alot to avoid splitting up the family.  And we worry about leaving the kids with the PD partner.  It must be especially frustrating and scary to you men because the woman usually always gets custody.  It takes alot of court time and money to get the PD mother evaluated and the kids taken away from her.

And that my friends is why the PD continues in our families and society.  Because it's so difficult to separate the children from the PD parent.
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